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Racism: Nigger to African-American - It's Still the White Man's Bigotry

posted Tuesday, 20 November 2007

African-Americans... As if a change of name

ends white supremacy and racial exploitation

There's one obvious explanation

for the persistence of racism

Whites benefit from the oppression of all Blacks,

and therefore enjoy a “white-skin privilege”

Slaveholders in this country

- who were also the political elite,

including many of the so-called “founding fathers”

- rationalized that Africans were savages,

had no culture and could benefit from slavery.

When slavery ended, racism did not end with it,

but became a tool by which the wealthy

could divide poor Blacks from poor whites

Racism, in the “golden age” of imperialism

at the end of the 19th century

and into the 20th century,

also was a justification for invading

other parts of the world in order to “civilize”

the “savages,” or to take up the “white man’s burden”

Patronising White Liberals Call Blacks African-Americans [Original]

As if a change of name ends white supremacy and exploitation of other races.

We examine one popular explanation for the persistence of racism--that all whites benefit from the oppression of all Blacks, and therefore enjoy a “white-skin privilege.”

The New York Times recently reported that in 2004, 72 percent of African American men in their 20s who had dropped out of high school were unemployed, compared to only 34 percent of white men and 19 percent of Latinos. Half of Black men in their 20s with high school diplomas were unemployed in 2004.

Decades after the civil rights movement, second-class citizenship, poverty and injustice are stark realities for millions of African Americans in this country.

After Hurricane Katrina, no one with any remote contact with reality could deny that both race and class are the axes upon which American society rotates.

The new movement for immigrant rights has helped to expose the racism that shapes the lives of millions of brown people in this country, as well.

From Arabs to Mexicans, racial minorities are blamed for everything from “potential” terrorist attacks to unemployment.

The question arises, though: Does the oppression of one group of workers lead to the enrichment or benefit of another?

On the surface, this may seem like common sense. A cursory look at any set of statistics shows that, on average, white people have more accumulated wealth, make more money, have more access to college, go to better schools and even have a longer lifespan.

What all of these things point to is that we live in a deeply racist society, in which some people clearly do benefit. The question is, which people.

The problem with framing this inequality in terms of “white-skin privilege” is twofold. If we only look at aggregate statistics telling us that “whites” are better off than “Blacks,” it doesn’t provide the whole picture. It doesn’t tell us which whites are better off than which Blacks.

If we only go by the numbers and not what lies beneath the numbers, then what do we say about the fact that Latino unemployment is lower than Black unemployment?

Are Latinos benefiting from Black oppression? What do we say about the fact that immigrants have a higher poverty rate than Black Americans? Are Blacks benefiting from the oppression of immigrants?

Second, the idea of “white privilege” never addresses the central question of why racism arose in the first place, and in whose interest.

Racism developed in the West during the Atlantic slave trade as a way to “explain” the enslavement of Africans.

Slaveholders in this country--who were also the political elite, including many of the so-called “founding fathers”--rationalized that Africans were savages, had no culture and could benefit from slavery.

When slavery ended, racism did not end with it, but became a tool by which the wealthy could divide poor Blacks from poor whites.

Racism, in the “golden age” of imperialism at the end of the 19th century and into the 20th century, also was a justification for invading other parts of the world in order to “civilize” the “savages,” or to take up the “white man’s burden.”

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

THE NOTION of white-skin privilege obscures the fact that we live in a class society, in which a tiny minority of rich people rule and control all of the wealth and resources in society. Because they are few, they rely on scapegoats and division to maintain their rule.

This isn’t a conspiracy--instead, it happens in front of our faces every day. The politicians today blame immigrants for unemployment and low wages--not the fact that the minimum wage isn’t a living wage, or that corporations are allowed to abandon entire cities because it’s cheaper to move production to a nonunion state or a poorer country.

“White privilege” makes it seem that all whites are responsible for oppressing all Blacks. This outlook ignores the class divide.

The ruling class in this country is made up almost entirely of white men, but not exclusively.

It is difficult to conceive of how Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice or former Secretary of State Colin Powell are victimized by their lack of white privilege.

While those two are easy to pick out, in general, the Black political elite and Black executives--from Sen. Barack Obama to Kenneth Chenault, the CEO of American Express--are not suffering because of a lack of white privilege either.

In fact, they have a lot more say over the lives of ordinary white workers than those white workers will ever have over them.

Conversely, if “white privilege” exists, then there are millions of ordinary white workers who have yet to figure out exactly how to cash in.

The fact is that the majority of people without health care, the majority of the unemployed, the majority of the homeless and the majority of those who live in poverty are white. These numbers don’t reflect benefits or privilege. They reflect exploitation and oppression.

The disparity that does exists between white and non-white workers is the result of racism and discrimination--not white privilege--by employers, landlords, mortgage lenders, city governments and the federal government.

Racism harms all workers, including white workers, by driving down wages and living standards for the entire working class.

It is the ruling class that has always been the true beneficiary of racism. From the riches gained from slave labor, to divided workforces unable to unite for better wages and conditions, our rulers have clearly reaped all of the benefits and privileges.

The clearest way to illustrate this is to compare the incomes of Black and white workers in the North and South of the U.S.

As one author wrote:

“Despite the continued gross discrimination against Black skilled craftsmen in the North, the ‘privileged’ southern whites earned 4 percent less than they did.

"Southern white male operatives averaged...18 percent less than northern Black male operatives. And southern white service workers earned...14 percent less than northern Black male service workers.”

It was never ordained that just because one lives in the North, wages are supposed to be higher, or if one lives in the South, wages automatically have to be lower.

Southern workers--Black and white--make lower wages and generally have a lower standard of living because of the legacy of the most vicious racism, and the ability of the bosses to use racism, threats and intimidation to limit unionization.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

NONE OF this is to say that there aren’t white workers who buy into racist ideas. But the fact is that all workers--regardless of race--buy into some idea of racism.

For example, many workers, Black, white and Latino, have bought into the idea--to some degree--that Arabs and Muslims are more likely to be terrorists, and therefore should be treated differently.

Black and white workers accept some of the anti-immigrant hysteria against Latinos because of the anxiety about the economy and jobs.

But we have to distinguish between what individual workers may think, and real material benefits.

Workers buy into racism for two primary reasons--and not because we are all born with some predisposition to racism.

The first is that we live in a society in which racism is the norm. We are inundated with racist stereotypes about Blacks, immigrants, Arabs and Muslims every single day.

From the media perpetuating suspicion about Blacks;

To Hollywood’s portrayal of non-whites as drug dealers or terrorists, and not much in between;

To Democrats and Republicans using “wedge issues” like affirmative action to conjure resentment between non-white workers and white workers; the ruling class actively uses racism to divide the working class.

The great Black abolitionist, Frederick Douglass put it succinctly, “The hostility between the whites and the Blacks of the South is easily explained...

"[B]oth are plundered by the same plunderers...and [hostility] was incited on both sides by the poor whites and the Blacks by putting enmity between them. They divided both to conquer each.”

The other reason racism exists in the working class is that workers compete with each other for jobs, housing, education and everything else in this society.

As Karl Marx explained, “Competition separates individuals from one another, not only the bourgeois but still more the workers, in spite of the fact it brings them together. Hence, it is a long time before these individuals can unite...

"Hence every power standing over these isolated individuals...can only be overcome after long struggles.”

But struggle does change the ideas of the working class. The civil rights movement fundamentally changed the racist caricatures that white workers had of Black workers.

By the beginning of the 1970s, most white workers were in favor of affirmative action--only a few years after Blacks had gotten the right to vote.

The mass movement of Latino immigrants today is playing a crucial role in shifting racist ideas about immigrant workers.

The advances made in changing consciousness will not be permanent until we have a society based on justice and equality, not racism and scapegoating.

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1. The Capt. left...
Monday, 19 November 2007 2:57 pm

I like the perspective you've taken in this entry. The divide and conquer' perspective has been one of the ways I've seen this. You're right, when we come to the actual numbers of those lacking, White's are in the greatest numbers. Only when we look at the percentages of each group do we start to get a more complete picture. Racism does hurt everyone, nevertheless we have such things as steering' in housing that leads Black folk into inferior neighborhoods, with higher prices for houses (that aren't worth it) and higher insurance rates. The criminal justice system will put Black men in jail for doing the same things White men do but go home. The income gap between Whites and Blacks is increasing in favor of Whites - with Black men's incomes declining in the past 3 decades (adjusted for inflation). This was offset only by the gains of Black women.

I will concede that incomes for White men were stagnant with White women's incomes increased 5 fold. This is info from the Brookings Institute.

Ed, I guess my real point is although racism hurts us all, the minority group's position is much more dire than the majority's.


2. doodad left...
Wednesday, 23 September 2009 4:01 pm

You hit the nail on the head about the patronizing white liberal, but blacks still keep voting for them, so they haven't a leg to stand on with me. They continually elect people that keep them down by allowing them to not work and improve their lot in life. Then their "leaders" indoctrinate them into believing that the people who want to help them out of their sorry lot in life, are racist, and/or white supremacists. In other words, every spokesman for blacks need to quit whining, and call it like it is: they are not smart enough to improve themselves as a group, and it is their own race-hustling leaders that make sure of this. Without percieved racsim everywhere, Sharpton, Farrakhan, and Jackson are simply unemployable niggers. Blacks are also the most racist group of people out there. Let YT walk down a black neighborhood street at dusk and see how long it takes for them to be attacked. Stop your own racism while you whine about others' racism!


3. The Capt. left...
Wednesday, 23 September 2009 5:51 pm

Doodad, you are the pure essence of your moniker. To say Black people are the most racists out there, when Whites had us in bondage for hundreds of year, and upon the emancipation, Blacks had to endure more hatred in the Jim Crow Laws, policies of segregation, lynchings, burnings, castrations and economic deprivation at the hands of White folks up, and through, the Civil Rights Bill of 1965, shows you to be as imbecilic as your name. If you're a citizen, you don't know your history and you are totally irresponsible. If you're White, you're an embarassment to your race due to your lack of education. But you fit the ole expression, IT IS BETTER TO BE THOUGHT A FOOL, THAN TO OPEN YOUR MOUTH AND REMOVE ALL DOUBT.

What you think is racist, and it isn't, is the anger of some Black folks for how they've been treated by some White folks for so long. EDUCATE YOURSELF DOODAD! NO WONDER AMERICAN JOBS ARE GOING OVERSEAS WITH THIS EXHIBITION OF INTELLIGENCE!


4. Allen Hill left...
Saturday, 10 October 2009 9:06 pm

doodad actually has a point. A black guy can walk down any street in a white neighborhood without fearing for his safety. But if a white person tries to walk down a lot of streets in New York, Boston, Akron, Cleveland, and many others he has a MUCH higher chance of getting attacked and/or victimized. Check the statistics. Part of the problem for the Black man is the new "hip" culture. It's Cool to be a thug. To be Ghetto. To be Representin' and other such idiocy. The Rap and Hip Hop culture has not helped the Blacks. It's hurt them. They are making more people Racist by the day because they are embodying the very problems that are plaguing society. Drugs, gangs, theft, womanizing, and other crimes. Black people need to stop pulling the "racism" card or the "slave" card. We have a BLACK president now. No black alive was a slave in America, back in the day. We need to get over that. The African tribes attacked each other and enslaved each other. They then traded the slaves they had from the wars with each other to the Dutch for shiny beads and other such things.

Regardless, the problem is what's going on today. Today, the Black man needs to stop holding the "black man" down. Out of all the places I've lived in America it is easier to get on welfare if you are black, then if you are white. There is a problem with that.

I was in the Military and Racism was there also. It was Blacks racist against whites. Especially if the white kids were the preppy, geeky, loser,or brainiac type. It's not cool to be smart and educated with a lot of the black people in the military. They would refuse to "snitch" on someone, even if they did something REALLY wrong. If racism against blacks is going to stop, it needs to start with how the blacks act. The Blacks need to change how they act, how they treat others, and how they treat each other. Just watch a couple of Rap or Hip Hop videos and you will see what I mean. Also, get the printed lyrics to there "songs" and read them. To much of that music is saying that it's "cool" to use women for sex, as well as to cheat on them. Well, I'm done ranting. I don't deny that issues exist. However, you need to see the whole picture instead of focusing on how the "white man is holding the black man down" arguments.


5. Allen Hill left...
Saturday, 10 October 2009 9:15 pm

doodad actually has a point. A black guy can walk down any street in a white neighborhood without fearing for his safety. But if a white person tries to walk down a lot of streets in New York, Boston, Akron, Cleveland, and many others he has a MUCH higher chance of getting attacked and/or victimized. Check the statistics. Part of the problem for the Black man is the new "hip" culture. It's Cool to be a thug. To be Ghetto. To be Representin' and other such idiocy. The Rap and Hip Hop culture has not helped the Blacks. It's hurt them. They are making more people Racist by the day because they are embodying the very problems that are plaguing society. Drugs, gangs, theft, womanizing, and other crimes. Black people need to stop pulling the "racism" card or the "slave" card. We have a BLACK president now. No black alive was a slave in America, back in the day. We need to get over that. The African tribes attacked each other and enslaved each other. They then traded the slaves they had from the wars with each other to the Dutch for shiny beads and other such things.

Regardless, the problem is what's going on today. Today, the Black man needs to stop holding the "black man" down. Out of all the places I've lived in America it is easier to get on welfare if you are black, then if you are white. There is a problem with that.

I was in the Military and Racism was there also. It was Blacks racist against whites. Especially if the white kids were the preppy, geeky, loser,or brainiac type. It's not cool to be smart and educated with a lot of the black people in the military. They would refuse to "snitch" on someone, even if they did something REALLY wrong. If racism against blacks is going to stop, it needs to start with how the blacks act. The Blacks need to change how they act, how they treat others, and how they treat each other. Just watch a couple of Rap or Hip Hop videos and you will see what I mean. Also, get the printed lyrics to there "songs" and read them. To much of that music is saying that it's "cool" to use women for sex, as well as to cheat on them. Well, I'm done ranting. I don't deny that issues exist. However, you need to see the whole picture instead of focusing on how the "white man is holding the black man down" arguments. Oh, and Capt. Stop talking about how the Black man has "been treated for so long." No one thinks that it was fair how the Black man was treated 50 or more years ago. Or even 30 or so years ago. I would have been more than happy to jump in front of a bullet meant for Martin Luther King. However, Mr. King would be ashamed of the Black people if he came back today. He would be proud of people like Obama, and Mrs. Rice, but ashamed of many, if not most of the other Black people.

Oh, and another fun fact about America. No other Country has done more to try and improve the situation of the Black people than this Country. We've even made laws and created funding that will help the black people over any others. To the point where these laws are actually RACIST against all other people. Do you realize that. It is actually easier for black people to do many things than it is for all other types, or races of people.

You need to check your facts Capt.


6. The Capt. left...
Sunday, 11 October 2009 1:09 am

I would hope Allen is a young White dude, merely because his ignorance of American History is embarassing. He even mixes up Black anger with racism. Allen, racism is having the power to keep someone from getting an education, a job, housing, loans for a business, home or otherwise - NOT BEING ALLOWED TO DO THE SAME THINGS WHITE FOLKS TAKE FOR GRANTED IN DOING.

YOUR IGNORANCE OF AMERICAN HISTORY IS AN EMBARASSMENT TO WHITE FOLKS WHO CLAIM TO BE SO MUCH MORE EDUCATED THAN BLACKS.

I agree there are some serious problems in the Black community, but that doesn't make it OKAY for White folks to try to stymie, OR disrespect our Constitutional rights as an American citizen to do whatever we like. And by the way, there are more White folks on welfare than Black folk. As a matter of fact, the average person on welfare is a White woman with 2 or more children. DO SOME READING ALLEN, because the information your getting is completely wrong. Listening to Rush, Beck, Hannity, Coulter, O'Reilly is an experience in ignorance. Why? Because their borderline/outright bigots.

The problem of race in this country is that some White folks are so used to treating Black folk with disrespect, that to change that behavior seems like their giving Black folk special rights. Let Black folk treat Whites like that and they say the Black man is being arrogant. It's not arrogant for a Black man to be as confident in himself as ANY White man.


7. Allen Hill left...
Tuesday, 13 October 2009 9:53 am

Main Entry: rac·ism Pronunciation: \ˈrā-ˌsi-zəm also -ˌshi-\ Function: noun Date: 1933

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race 2 : racial prejudice or discrimination

Main Entry: 1prej·u·dice Pronunciation: \ˈpre-jə-dəs\ Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin praejudicium previous judgment, damage, from prae- + judicium judgment — more at judicial Date: 13th century

1 : injury or damage resulting from some judgment or action of another in disregard of one's rights; especially : detriment to one's legal rights or claims 2 a (1) : preconceived judgment or opinion (2) : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge b : an instance of such judgment or opinion c : an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics

We are talking about Racism and Prejudice and is the definition at letter "c" right now. You can be angry all you want about how things WERE, but this discussion is supposed to be about how things ARE now. You are full of anger. You also are not willing to see both sides of the argument. Nor do you seem willing to concider that fact that black people could be prejudice again white people. I have seen it and experienced it. One of my best friends was black. he lived with my wife and me for almost 3 years. We were great friends. He believed the same things as me. He didn't feel like he was held be at all. Nor did he thing he was being prejudiced against. Frankly, he even said it was true about the Racism in the Military. Oh, if you notice, I never said anything about there being more Black people on Welfare that White people. I just said that of all the places I've lived, it has been easier to get on Welfare if you are Black than if you are White.

I am not mixing up Anger with Racism or being Prejudice. I am stating from personal experience.

Also, what part of American History was I wrong about? I barely stated ANYTHING about American History. You seemed to immediately start attacking me for no reason. Are you trying to attack me so that my arguments will be somehow less valid? You didn't even really comment on ANYTHING that I said or stated. You just commented on imaginary things that you think I said.

As for the whole Slaves thing, Capt. YOU are over exaggerating things. Africans have been the LEAST enslaved people EVER. They also have been enslaved for one of the shortest amount of time. The Jews were enslaved for a lot longer. During the Feudalism time, whites were enslaved by the whites. Japanese where enslaved, so were the Romans, and the Chinese. The Blacks were enslaved for about 200 years. If you think that's bad, think of what the Jews went through. You don't see them asking for ANY had outs. The are still Prejudiced against, but they work their butts off for everything that they have. They don't make any excuses. They help themselves. There are NO laws that give them preferential treatment. Blacks never had to endure the type of Genocide the Jews did. The internment camps.

Oh, and before you overreact again, I'm not trying to downplay what the blacks went through. I am just trying to say that it is in the past, and it shouldn't be used as an excuse for what is happening now. Blacks have the same equal rights as everyone else. There are no laws that state that blacks can't be loans, buy houses, or cars. There are no laws that state that rent or the price of a house or car will be higher for blacks. If a house is overpriced in a neighborhood that is mostly Blacks, it doesn't matter. No one is FORCING anyone to buy that house. Buy a house somewhere else. Houses are real cheap in Georgia.

Regardless, it's late and I'm done trying to defend myself.


8. The Capt. left...
Tuesday, 13 October 2009 1:45 pm

Allen, your focus is on White folks so you're blind to Blacks being attacked. I live in New York, and the attack can come in two ways: young White hoodlums and the police. New York has stopped and frisked 750,000 people just this year alone, and the majority of the stops are Blacks and Hispanics - only 9% of the stops are White folks. Out of all the stops, only 7% are arrested for mainly marijuana possession. This is an attack on Black & Hispanic men without reason. This upcoming election for Mayor will reflect some of this. So Allen YOUR statistics wouldn't hold up in a court of law - no less here at Blog-City.

Secondly, I've written about the troubles within the Black community, however our internal problems has little to do with the bigoted behavior of some Whites and cops (its current and historic).

No one plays the RACE CARD (never seen one) more than White folks as a way to denigrate REAL claims of racism. The Legacy of Slavery is still with us mainly because Whites like you believe disrespecting Black folk is a norm. So much so, that you think to have equal treatment is getting special treatment.

Whatever reason Slavery made it to these shores doesn't negate the fact that WHITE FOLKS PUT BLACKS IN HUMAN BONDAGE FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS BUILDING THEIR ECONOMY OFF THE BACKS OF BLACK FOLK WITHOUT COMPENSATION. Now I'm not looking for reparations, but respect at this stage of our history should be a given considering the brutally inhumane treatment received during and after Slavery.

Allen, this Black man, yours truly, lives better than most White folks, no less Black folk, so don't attempt to lecture me about what Black people need to do. Work on what White folks need to do to establish better relations.

You talk as though White folks do nothing wrong. Just like many who believe the U.S. has never done anything wrong in world politics. And you're just as wrong in that area as you are here domestically. White Privilege blinds you to your own behavior. You guys are quickly becoming a minority in this country and it scares the hell out of you. Why? YOU'RE AFRAID OF KARMA! For folks who thought they were so Christian, you never looked at the seeds you were sowing. The harvest of White behavior will come back to haunt your children and grandchildren - and it won't be coming from Black folk, but the rest of the world.

You've never heard me say the White man is holding the Black man down, I've talked about respect. You use rap and videos to make your point, but when was the last time you've been in a Black neighborhood. You've never been to Harlem apparently because Black folk don't beat up Whites there, we live together. See, it's not all White folks. Just folks like you who are blind to your behavior. Even your comments are out of line and borderline racist. But you're unaware of that because of White Privilege You have the nerve to think ALL BLACK MEN ARE RAPPERS making judgements based on music videos. That's ignorance! Allen, get out and meet some Black people some time so you have a clearer idea about us. Your comments illustrate you may see some Black people, but your interaction on a human to human level is abysmal.

And by the way, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR. WOULD HAVE SAID ABOUT THIS SITUATION, TODAY! So don't start attempting to channel him. Plus, I don't care how much improvement there has been for Black people, if the treatment isn't equal IT'S BULL SHIT.

Just like Obama, I am a SURVIVOR, who had to out wit, outplay and overcome the obstacle course of racism to ensure White interference in my life would be at a minimum. But I'm so tired of listening to bigots like you and Rush Limbaugh trying to sell this revisionist history THAT WHITE AMERICA HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DYSFUNCTION OF THE BLACK FAMILY! It's bull shit! Take that crap and keep running it in YOUR community cause it doesn't sell even with the average White person. How do I know? I live, work and play with White folks everyday and the majority of them don't sound anything like you.

Allen Hill, take a look in the mirror. Your rant about race has more to do with YOU than Black folk. White men have ripped this country off to the point of near collapse. And your biggest argument is what's happening in the Black community. Not only do you need to pick up a book more, but you need to set some better priorities.

And I don't think I've heard anything more racist as your comment about the laws being easier for Black folks than Whites. Allen, you keep living in that fantasy place of White Privilege, your hate will come back to haunt you. It's called Karma!


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Tuesday, 13 October 2009 6:16 pm

Ed, when you deleted Allen Hill's double comment (before my last statement), you also took out the information I responded to regarding his comment. If you're missing that part and need it to repost I can send it to you because I have the email of the comments. But you're shaping these comments in a way that appears disingenuous. Was this done purposely? :)


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Tuesday, 13 October 2009 6:19 pm

My apologies, Ed! I noticed the double comment is higher in the list. Once again, my mistake! :)


11. Allen Hill left...
Wednesday, 14 October 2009 7:47 am

This is more than a little ridiculous. First off, I DO think black people deserve to be treated equally. I also do NOT think that people are being prejudiced against as much as think they are. I have not seen much of it at all. I also don't think there is some big Government conspiracy about preventing black people for having equal rights. I think that is ridiculous. If you notice, I said I would have taken a bullet for Martin Luther King Jr. I'm plenty ticked and offended by your ranting, and especially of your twisting of my words. I never said that all black people are rappers. That would be pretty ridiculous. I guess I need to clarify some of my earlier points.

First off. I think part of what is holding the black people down is the culture and morals that are perpetuated in the media and in the rap and hip hop music videos, as well as the lyrics.

I know for a fact that there are still racist and prejudice white people around. I don't hink they are the majority however. Not even close. People do not hate, or have any problem with black people. They do have a problem with thugs, or people who act like thugs.

Also, I DO have black friends. If you noticed, I also said that one of my best friends lived with my wife and me for almost 3 years. I was in the US Military and there where a lot of black people that served with me. There where some that worked for me, and some that I worked for. I do have experience with "the black community" and that is what I am basing my comments off of. There were a lot of black people who acted like thugs in the military. Many of them didn't want to take orders from a white person, or anyone who looked like they were white (IE: they were Hispanic, Native American, or Italian). Especially geeky or brainy type person. They were VERY disrespectful. I saw it happen. I had to take the appropriate action. What's worse is if any non-black person used the word nigger or nigga Black people would throw a fit. However, black people used the words Cracker, Honkey, and the such regularly and NOTHING would happen. I tried reporting it and my BLACK superiors just shrugged it off. Things like this are messed up. Racism complaints made by black people are taken VERY seriously in the military. Sadly Racism complaints against black people aren't taken as seriously. That is not fair nor is it equal rights.

Now to clarify something else, AGAIN. Black Folk people black fold in bondage and sold them to the Dutch, who traded them to the whites. Black folk also traded them to the whites, but much later. Also, the Chinese where enslaved by the whites also. That's how a lot of the railroads where built. Are they still being prejudiced against just like blacks?

Your opinions are very one sided. You seem to disregard anything that contradicts your view points as impossible, and definitely false.

*sigh*

I live in Akron Ohio. I grew up in some very bad neighborhoods. Akron has a large black population. I have experience with this. Like I said I have serveral black friends. Believe it or not, I actually talked to them about this. They shared my opinions. They do not feel like they were held back. They said they don't feel like they experienced racism growing up. Wow! At least 10 black people didn't suffer racism. Does that shock you.

I love how you say that my opinions aren't valid because they aren't in line with you. Then you jump to conclusions and say that I don't think black people deserve equal rights. Comments like that show how ignorant and racist you are.

Also, the police do things called "profiling" when they are dealing with crimes. The take a poll of what the most common type of person who commits a crime. The age, sex, race, and financial background, as well as other marks. That is how they try to prevent crime. If they targeted more black people with this, then it would be because more black people committed those types of crimes in that area, when compared to all other types of people.

Frankly, I have seen black people pull the race card. When I was in the military and told a black man to do something I hear the reply "You're only telling me to do that because I'm black. Why don't you have someone else do it?" WAY to often.

Things are going to be different outside of New York. I've lived in Ohio, Virginia, Georgia, South Carolina, Maryland, Florida, and California. I am drawing my experience from these places. That's how things are in these states. Wait, let me correct myself real quickly. That's how it was in the places I've lived in these state. It's not that way ALL throughout those states.


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Wednesday, 14 October 2009 8:15 am

You do seem to be a very very angry person Capt'n. Maybe that's because something has happened to you in your own life or to people you know that was messed up because of race; but I would hope you could understand that other people aren't going to see your view point all of the time. That doesn't make them stupid; It just means they have different life experiences. I think what it comes down to is that no one is trying to gang up on you and tell you that you don't have any right to comment on this page or that you're views don't represent SOMEONE'S viewpoint other than your own. But I lived in the deep South of Georgia hon; I grew up there as a kid. A dirt-floor poor white kid with a working class family and a bunch of brothers and sisters. I was told as a little girl that black was just a color, people's personalities and hearts is what made them, not their skin. I still believe that today and so do all of my brothers and my sister. Still, my dad, was bullied by the guys at his work place making trailers where he drove a tractor because he was white and not mexican, latino, or black. One guy even pulled a switch-blade on my dad and my dad has never acted or talked racist in his life. He's NEVER even privately referred to a black person as a "nigger". They gave him a lot of trouble; Maybe because a lot of whites down South ARE racist and they may have thought he would be the same way. But in the same breathe Capt'n a lot of young black guys, teenagers, steal and hang with people who deal drugs. Doesn't mean they all do it; But when the Majority of a group does something it, it reflects badly on those individuals' group. I could walk through a black neighborhood as a little girl; I had friends there, I even would buy dill pickles from my best friends grandmother who had a miniature grocery store out of her trailer. But only because people knew I was my father's little girl. He because close good friends with some of those men who initially didn't like him. Some of my friends weren't allowed to walk through though. Their father's or some brother-in-law or relative didn't get along with somebody and one girl's big brother even walked through to come get her out one day because she wasn't supposed to be there and he was scared for her. All he did was start to walk through Happy-ville. They beat him. He didn't get to say anything. They beat him until blood poured from his mouth. I was fine. She was fine. He'd never done anything to a black person but his uncle had some dispute with a black man and his price for trying to "Save" his little sister was a beating. No matter where you go there are going to be different opinions and different viewpoints of who is racist against who. But I can tell you from personal experience that it goes both ways in the South. You have bad blood on BOTH sides. This being said, I admit, when it's dark and I'm walking alone down the street and I see a black guy dressed like a thug with baggy pants and looking the way they do, I get nervous. You see a nicely dressed black guy; the most I think is that he looks good. MOST ALL black men look nice when they're dressed comfortably and they're relaxed and happy with themselves. But when I see someone dressed like a thug, like a drug dealer or a rapper I start to question whether or not they'll get the chance to know me before they'll assume I'm a bad person. I look WHITE. I'm NATIVE AMERICAN & Czechoslovakian. But because I LOOK white. I get treated as if I AM white. And being White is sometimes all it takes in the wrong part of town to get beat. In my opinion, my friends brother shouldn't have been punished for the crimes of his uncle. But he was. I see that as racism. What if he was black? What would you see it as?


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Wednesday, 14 October 2009 12:44 pm

Katie, I believe you confuse passion for anger. Now, within my passion there might be a little annoyance due to the disrespect from some Whites, but if I was angry I couldn't write with clarity. My statements have been clear and informational. What I've been doing is debating, Katie, which means people discuss issues coming from different perspectives.

However, Katie you said, 'But in the same breathe Capt'n a lot of young black guys, teenagers, steal and hang with people who deal drugs. Doesn't mean they all do it; But when the Majority of a group does something it, it reflects badly on those individuals' group.' When did the majority of Black guys, teenagers, start dealing drugs, and stealing? Now, I don't think you said that maliciously, so I don't think you're a racist, but what you stated was A RACIST LIE! On Wall Street, White guys stole nearly a trillion dollars (bringing this country to near collapse) with 'derivative swaps' that ripped off folks in the U.S. and the world. You can count the number of people who have gone to jail on one hand, but do we say ALL WHITE FOLKS ARE FINANCIAL THIEVES?

I understand that some of your family members may have had problems with individual Blacks, but your words say your father was good friends with some Blacks. How does having an encounter with a couple of Black men condemn the whole race? I'm part Seminole, but folks see Black so I've had to become accustomed and deal with reality. I found a path to get through and above the skirmish of small minds and believe it or not, with the help of some White folks. As I've said, I live, work and play with Whites. The difference between me, you and Allen isn't our background and color as it has to do with respect. When you base your ideas about others off what you see on tv and listening to guys like Rush and company without giving the individual the respect of TREATING THEM THE WAY YOU WISH TO BE TREATED, then you're a bigot! Plain and simple! I have to respond to Allen again, so I don't want to put in my reply to you the things I must answer with him. But I hope our dialogue brings some clarity to what I've been saying.


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Wednesday, 14 October 2009 1:43 pm

Allen, the ridiculousness of the issue is that you appear to think racism is a small problem. Hundreds of years of Slavery, another 150 years of segregation and Jim Crow Laws, to today, with on-going racist behavior. You don't think Blacks have a reason for the anger they show towards people they feel have oppressed them? What planet are you on? President Obama is President and they try to keep him from doing what other White Presidents have done, and some have been outright disrespectful to him.

Seeing Black success despite the racist obstacle course Black folks must run is what confuses you about there not being racism. There isn't a government conspiracy, Allen, but there is institutional racism in banking, education, housing (steering), the criminal justice system and in hiring! Federal government records document this fact. What there has been is foot dragging to correct these inequities. For an example, in banking, the sub-prime loans with the varying interest rates was purposely given to mainly Blacks and Hispanics. Out of greed, they eventually were selling them to middle income Whites. THAT'S institutional racism. In housing, when Black people are 'steered' away from quality neighborhoods where the housing costs more for inferior dwelling and the insurance rates are higher. THAT'S institutional racism. In the criminal justice system, Black men go to jail for doing the same things White men do but go home. The perfect example is how many guys broke the law on Wall Street and so few have been punished. What those guys did was STEAL!

Allen, let's be clear, I DON'T RANT! YOU were the one who admitted to ranting. That's not my style.

You're right, about a third of White America is still racist. How do I know? Polls during the Presidential campaign indicated that a third of White folks claimed they couldn't vote for a Black man. And that was just from those who would admit it.

Your experience with Black people is something I can't comment on cause I wasn't there. But YOU DON'T SEE WITH THE RACIAL HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY THAT USING THE N WORD IN THE COMPANY OF BLACK FOLK WOULD BE VERY INCENDIARY? It's a very disrespectful word coming out of the mouths of Whites talking with Black folk. But if what you say is true about your military experience, then THAT IS FUCKED UP! But do you believe in Sowing and Reaping? Your ancestors have sown some damnable seeds for centuries, now some of their offspring are paying the cost. Many Americans have belittled people around the world with our foreign polices, and a big change is about to hit Americans like never before -when everthing starts moving to Asia and we become a second class nation. We're in the midst of it now - our jobs have gone overseas. But if you can't get along with FELLOW AMERICANS, how do you think you'll do with the rest of the world?

You feel I've cast you in the wrong light, but you ignore your earlier comments arrogantly making statements about Black folk that weren't true. When you're flippant with the lip it can come back to haunt you. And it did! :)

Profiling needs to take another path if YOU believe it's fair for police to 'occupy' Black communities and filter Black men through the system. THAT'S INSTITUTIONAL RACISM. You still forget, White men commit as many crimes as Black people, but the system treats them differently allowing them to go home, while the Black man goes to jail.

Here we go with the racist 'race card' statement again. LOOK, ALLEN, IT DOESN'T EXIST! Think about what you're trying to say and say it. THERE IS NO RACE CARD. You may think things are different in New York, but the difference is only in intensity, not in what's happening throughout the nation. I also lived in D.C., Orlando and Savannah, I know what time it is!

I learned a long time ago, THE BEST WAY TO GAUGE YOUR BEHAVIOR WITH OTHERS IS TO PUT YOURSELF ON THE RECEIVING END OF YOUR BEHAVIOR. OR, TREAT PEOPLE THE WAY YOU WANT TO BE TREATED! Allen, THAT'S all I'm looking for. My success in life has been based on that one principle.


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Wednesday, 21 October 2009 6:14 am

The Origins of the African Slave Trade Back to History | by Piero Scaruffi

In 1807 Britain outlawed slavery. In 1820 the king of the African kingdom of Ashanti inquired why the Christians did not want to trade slaves with him anymore, since they worshipped the same god as the Muslims and the Muslims were continuing the trade like before.

The civil rights movement of the 1960's have left many people with the belief that the slave trade was exclusively a European/USA phenomenon and only evil white people were to blame for it. This is a simplicistic scenario that hardly reflects the facts. Thousands of records of transactions are available on a CDROM prepared by Harvard University and several comprehensive books have been published recently on the origins of modern slavery (namely, Hugh Thomas' The Slave Trade and Robin Blackburn's The Making Of New World Slavery) that shed new light on centuries of slave trading. What these records show is that the modern slave trade flourished in the early middle ages, as early as 869, especially between Muslim traders and western African kingdoms. For moralists, the most important aspect of that trade should be that Muslims were selling goods to the African kingdoms and the African kingdoms were paying with their own people. In most instances, no violence was necessary to obtain those slaves. Contrary to legends and novels and Hollywood movies, the white traders did not need to savagely kill entire tribes in order to exact their tribute in slaves. All they needed to do is bring goods that appealed to the kings of those tribes. The kings would gladly sell their own kins. This explains why slavery became "black". Ancient slavery, e.g. under the Roman empire, would not discriminate: slaves were both white and black (so were Emperors and Popes). In the middle ages, all European countries outlawed slavery (of course, they retained countless "civilized" ways to enslave their citizens, but that's another story), whereas the African kingdoms happily continued in their trade. Therefore, only colored people could be slaves, and that is how the stereotype for African-American slavery was born. It was not based on an ancestral hatred of blacks by whites, but simply on the fact that blacks were the only ones selling slaves, and they were selling their own kins. (To be precise, Christians were also selling Muslim slaves captured in war, and Muslims were selling Christian slaves captured in war, but neither the Christians of Europe nor the Muslims of Africa and the Middle East were selling their own kins). Then the Muslim trade of African slaves came to a stop when Arab domination was reduced by the Crusades. (Note: Arabs continued to capture and sell slaves, but only in the Mediterranean. In fact, Robert Davis estimates that 1.25 million European Christians were enslaved by the "barbary states" of northern Africa. The USA bombed Morocco, Algiers, Tunis and Tripoli in 1801 precisely to stop that Arab slave trade of Christians. The rate of mortality of those Christian slaves in the Islamic world was roughly the same as the mortality rate in the Atlantic slave trade of the same period.) Christians took over in black Africa, though. The first ones were the Portuguese, who, applying an idea that originally developed in Italian seatrading cities, and often using Italian venture capital, started exploiting sub-Saharan slaves in the 1440s to support the economy of the sugar plantations (mainly for their own African colonies of Sao Tome and Madeira). The Dutch were the first, apparently, to import black slaves into North America, but black slaves had already been employed all over the world, including South and Central America. We tend to focus on what happened in North America because the United States would eventually fight a war over slavery (and it's in the U.S. that large sectors of the population would start condemning slavery, contrary to the indifference that Muslims and most Europeans showed for it). Even after Europeans began transporting black slaves to America, most trade was just that: "trade". In most instances, the Europeans did not need to use any force to get those slaves. The slaves were "sold" more or less legally by their (black) owners. Scholars estimate that about 12,000,000 Africans were sold by Africans to Europeans (most of them before 1776, when the USA wasn't yet born) and 17,000,000 were sold to Arabs. The legends of European mercenaries capturing free people in the jungle are mostly just that: legends. A few mercenaries certainly stormed peaceful tribes and committed terrible crimes, but that was not the rule. There was no need to risk their lives, so most of them didn't: they simply purchased people. As an African-American scholar (Nathan Huggins) has written, the "identity" of black Africans is largely a white invention: sub-Saharan Africans never felt like they were one people, they felt (and still feel) that they belonged to different tribes. The distinctions of tribe were far stronger than the distinctions of race. Everything else is true: millions of slaves died on ships and of diseases, millions of blacks worked for free to allow the Western economies to prosper, and the economic interests in slavery became so strong that the southern states of the United States opposed repealing it. But those millions of slaves were just one of the many instances of mass exploitation: the industrial revolution was exported to the USA by enterpreuners exploiting millions of poor immigrants from Europe. The fate of those immigrants was not much better than the fate of the slaves in the South. As a matter of fact, many slaves enjoyed far better living conditions in the southern plantations than European immigrants in the industrial cities (which were sometimes comparable to concentration camps). It is not a coincidence that slavery was abolished at a time when millions of European and Chinese immigrants provided the same kind of cheap labor. It is also fair to say that, while everybody tolerated it, very few whites practiced slavery: in 1860 there were 385,000 USA citizens who owned slaves, or about 1.4% of the white population (there were 27 million whites in the USA). That percentage was zero in the states that did not allow slavery (only 8 million of the 27 million whites lived in states that allowed slavery). Incidentally, in 1830 about 25% of the free Negro slave masters in South Carolina owned 10 or more slaves: that is a much higher percentage (ten times more) than the number of white slave owners. Thus slave owners were a tiny minority (1.4%) and it was not only whites: it was just about anybody who could, including blacks themselves. Moral opposition to slavery was widespread even before Lincoln, and throughout Europe. On the other hand, opposition to slavery was never particularly strong in Africa itself, where slavery is slowly being eradicated only in our time. One can suspect that slavery would have remained common in most African kingdoms until this day: what crushed slavery in Africa was that all those African kingdoms became colonies of western European countries that (for one reason or another) eventually decided to outlaw slavery. When, in the 1960s, those African colonies regained their independence, numerous cases of slavery resurfaced. And countless African dictators behaved in a way that makes a slave owner look like a saint. Given the evidence that this kind of slavery was practiced by some Africans before it was practiced by some Americans, that it was abolished by all whites and not by some Africans, and that some Africans resumed it the moment they could, why would one keep blaming the USA but never blame, say, Ghana or the Congo? The more we study it, the less blame we have to put on the USA for the slave trade with black Africa: it was pioneered by the Arabs, its economic mechanism was invented by the Italians and the Portuguese, it was mostly run by western Europeans, and it was conducted with the full cooperation of many African kings. The USA fostered free criticism of the phenomenon: no such criticism was allowed in the Muslim and Christian nations that started trading goods for slaves, and no such criticism was allowed in the African nations that started selling their own people (and, even today, no such criticism is allowed within the Arab world). Today it is politically correct to blame some European empires and the USA for slavery (forgetting that it was practiced by everybody since prehistoric times). But I rarely read the other side of the story: that the nations who were the first to develop a repulsion for slavery and eventually abolish slavery were precisely those countries (especially Britain and the USA). As Dinesh D'Souza wrote, "What is uniquely Western is not slavery but the movement to abolish slavery".

(To be completely fair, what was also unique about the western slave trade is the scale (the millions shipped to another continent in a relatively short period of time), and, of course, that it eventually became a racist affair, discriminating blacks, whereas previous slave trades had not discriminated based on the color of the skin. What is unique about the USA, in particular, is the treatment that blacks received AFTER emancipation, which is, after all, the real source of the whole controversy, because, otherwise, just about everybody on this planet could claim to be the descendant of an ancient slave). (That does not mean that western slave traders were justified in what they did, but placing all the blame on them is a way to absolve all the others). To this day, too many Africans, Arabs and Europeans believe that the African slave trade was an USA aberration, not their own invention.

By the time the slave trade was abolished in the West, there were many more slaves in Africa (black slaves of black owners) than in the Americas.

www.scaruffi.com/politics/slavetra.html


16. Allen Hill left...
Wednesday, 21 October 2009 7:44 am

Capt. said, "Your ancestors have sown some damnable seeds for centuries, now some of their offspring are paying the cost."

You mean, the Hungarians? Because that's what I am. Or do you mean that all White People are the same? Because THAT'S what it sounds like. I've heard a lot of racist comments from you, but this one is the most blatant. I like how you rant, and you DO rant, about how white people are racists but refuse to even consider that black people might be racist. According to you, black people were just showing their "righteous passion" when they beat that white kid, in Georgia where Katie is from, just for being in the wrong neighborhood. I guess it wasn't racism and hate, but righteous passion from years of oppression.

But lets get one thing straight. My people didn't own slaves. No white person alive today have owned black slaves who worked on plantations. No black person alive today were enslaved by "the white man" and were whipped and raped. It DID happen over 100 years ago, and it was wrong. The Jim Crow Laws were also wrong. Slavery is still going on in the USA today. In fact, human trafficking is the third biggest money maker in the USA, right behind guns and drugs. However, most of them are not Africans/Blacks. Most human trafficking cases are woman and young girls from Central America and Asian countries. So if anyone gets the right to complain about slavery, it's them.

And the race card exists. If you don't know what it is, I'll tell you again even though I already explained it in a previous post. "Pulling the race card" is when a black person claims that the only reason he or she is having to do something is because they are black. IE: If a non-black (mostly white) boss tells a black employee to do something, and the black employee replies, "The only reason you are having me do it, instead of one of the white, Latino or any other non-black employees is because I'm black." What happened there is that the employee is claiming that they are being forced to do things because the employer is racist, NOT because it's their job to do the work. This happens. I've seen it happen. That is the race card. The people were either being lazy, or they were misguided. Some might have felt like they were being targeted, even if they were not. While other, I know for a fact, where just being lazy. They just didn't want to take orders for a white man/woman. They tried to "pull the race card" to get out of doing the work.

Now on too the racial profiling complaint. Cops check the statistics from previous crimes as well and get the input from Psychologists to come up with a "Profile" for who commits certain types of crimes so that they can try to catch criminals as well as prevent more crimes from happening. Is it racist? I don't think so. Nor do I think it's sexist. In my opinion, only an uneducated, immature person who is blinded by their own hate would consider it racism. What type of person is most likely to be a Child Molester? A single middle aged white male. They are usually slightly overweight and balding. That doesn't mean that a black man can not be a child molester, that just means that it's more likely to be a white man. What about a serial killer? That would be a white man. What about a cannibal? That would also be a white man. What about tax fraud or Wall street fraud? That would be the white man. Of course Wesley Snipes also committed tax fraud. And Martha Stewart committed fraud on wall street. White people don't get "let off" while black people get punished. America is not a country where the white man rules. It is a country where the rich rule. The Cleveland Browns Wide Receiver Donte Stallworth was drunk (with a blood alcohol level of .126 which is quite a bit higher than Florida's .08 legal limit) when he hit and killed a non black man with his Bently. What happened? He was given a 30 day jail sentence and he cut the mans family a check. His sentence included 2 years of house arrest, and 8 years of probation. So he has to stay home in his mansion for two years after driving drunk and hitting a pedestrian. Now I COULD say that if a "white man" did that same thing he would have gotten on average 19.1 years in prison, with a minimum of 12.2 years if released early for good behavior. America is the land of the rich. Whether that is rich white "wall street crooks," black NFL players who kill people while Driving under the influence or run illegal dog fighting rings, or the children of rich politicians whose daddies clean up after them so they don't ruin their "bright and promising" futures. You may focus on just the "white man" but there are a lot of black men also. Their are a lot of professional sports players and college players who are getting away with rape and other horrible crimes because of money or "talent." It isn't fair. It is wrong. But it is not because of the color of their skin. There are racial stereotypes. Whether they are right or wrong. Black men are drug dealers that are in gangs and they will shoot you. They also have a big packages. Latinos are in gangs and they will stab you with the knives that they are always carrying. They also don't know English. Asians ALL know martial arts, are good in math, and have small packages. Excluding the few right politicians, all white men are poor, uneducated, and live in trailer parks. They also beat their "bare foot and pregnant" wives. All Arabs are terrorists. All French people are stuck up cowards who surrendered during every single war they were in. Except for when they were instrumental in helping America gain their independence and when Napoleon almost took over all of Europe and part of Russia. There are many others, but that isn't the point. The point is that their are stereotpyes about everyone. If you want to just focus on one group, fine. But that is awful close minded. You have been quite rude and have managed to insult everyone who posted here. Including the nicest person I've ever seen, Katie.

Capt. said, "What I've been doing is debating, Katie, which means people discuss issues coming from different perspectives.

However, Katie you said, 'But in the same breathe Capt'n a lot of young black guys, teenagers, steal and hang with people who deal drugs. Doesn't mean they all do it; But when the Majority of a group does something it, it reflects badly on those individuals' group.' When did the majority of Black guys, teenagers, start dealing drugs, and stealing?"

She never said ALL black guys did that. She just said a lot. Please stop trying to twist what EVERYONE says. She said a lot. YOU said all. You also inferred that the majority of white people are racist, even though you said that only 1/3 of them are. Last I checked, 1/3 is not a majority.

You then started talking about respect. I respect all races of people and I treat all races of people equal. I expect the same in return. In the Military there is a lot of problems with black youths not respecting people. ALL people. Especially White people.

But I don't expect you to believe or even acknowledge the fact that black people are also racist, or whether they are even capable of racism. You will just say that I am confusing anger or passion with hate or racism. You will just claim that I am speaking lies if a say that black thugs and gangs commit a lot of senseless violence. You will probably say that it is not their fault. That it is the white mans fault that their are so many bloods and crypts that are killing, robbing, and raping. Frankly, it's people like YOU that perpetuate racism because YOU make excuses for the black man. Who commits the most violent crimes? The White man! Who commits the most crimes per capita? The Black man.

Regardless, the argument to end all arguments is not what race commits the most crimes. It's what sex commits the most crimes. And that is obviously the Male sex.

You do have some good arguments and some valid points Capt. However, the way you come across is VERY bad and racist. YOU are confusing passion with anger. You may not MEAN to come across the way you do, but that doesn't mater. You do not come across very well.

Oh, and for the record, I don't listen to Rush. Nor do I listen to Beck, Hannity, Coulter, or O'Reilly. Although I DO find it an odd coincidence that any white person who speaks against black thugs in a racist and is wrong according to you. Of course, I don't know what all they are saying. I may even agree with you. I HAVE heard other people saying that O'Reilly is racist against black people. I have also heard the same thing about Obama though, lol.


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Wednesday, 21 October 2009 12:38 pm

I hope you learned something in your research Allen. Remember, for a long time Black American History wasn't part of American History. Most Black folk have known this for a while. Mainly White folk have been ignorant to it.

But you seem to think that this information MAKES IT OKAY THAT WHITE AMERICANS HELD BLACK FOLK IN BONDAGE & WITHOUT COMPENSATION FOR NEARLY 400 years. Following the Emancipation Proclaimation there was another 100 years of Jim Crow Laws keeping Black for from integrating into the American system of education, jobs, housing, healthcare, etc. Then, the on-going discriminatory policies of White folks.

As I've said, TO JUDGE WHETHER YOUR BEHAVIOR IS APPROPRIATE, PUT YOURSELF AT THE OTHER END OF YOUR BEHAVIOR. So imagine what was done to Black folk was done to Whites, HOW WOULD YOU FEEL?

Allen don't try to justify what White folks did to my people -THERE WASN'T A GOOD REASON FOR THIS BARBARIC AND INHUMANE TREATMENT. Maybe the only way you'll understand and realize what I'm saying is for you and your family to have been treated the way my ancestry was.

Unfortunately, your behavior NOW, doesn't show a person who believes in the equality of people or one who believed in Dr. King!


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Wednesday, 21 October 2009 1:08 pm

Allen, if nothing else, you're a poor reader. Give me a sentence of mine that claims all White are racists! Here we are talking like we never spoke before. When you became an American (or your family) you picked up the benefits of being an American as well as the debt. What makes it worse is that if your family had nothing to do with Slavery, your attitude has been just as racist as those who have participated. I stated about one third of White America is still racists. This may be a difficult discussion because you continue to mis-read things I've said, adding your own prejudice to the discussion that's incorrect.

You're ignorance lies in the fact that the legacy of Slavery is still with us today due to attitudes like yours. You don't have to go back 100 years regarding, lynchings, castrations, burnings, etc. You don't have to go back 100 years for continued discrimination in hiring, marriage, healthcare, banking, housing, criminal justice system.

What does the race card look like Allen? I tell you what, YOU only confound yourself because your ignorance has no end. You make up things that I haven't said. I will let you continue to be as insensitive as you are about race relations.

On the Katie quote, she said the majority of Black folk which is a lie. The majority of Black folk do not act that way. Your reading and comprehension is really poor Allen.

What I've written is correct. You can't handle that. And I can no longer handle YOUR racist obstinance. There's no rhyme or reason to what you say. YOUR AN IGNORANCE RACIST - sorry for the redundancy. You're part of the third of Whites that are still there. But you're just a waste of time! Have a nice life Allen! Katie, I don't put you in the same category as this character!


19. Allen Hill left...
Thursday, 22 October 2009 1:09 am

Wow!!! Capt., your reading and comprehension skills are sub-par at best. I never said that it was OK that black people where enslaved. I never said that discriminating was OK. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you think I did mean that. Especially since you also said, "Your ancestors have sown some damnable seeds for centuries, now some of their offspring are paying the cost." My ancestors huh? And you also said, "you picked up the benefits of being an American as well as the debt." I guess the same goes for you, Capt., since Black people OWNED black SLAVES! "Your" people are just as guilty as "my" people. The difference is that YOUR people sold THEIR OWN PEOPLE into slavery. My family never owned slaves. It probably won't even matter to you if I could prove to you that my ancestors actually helped free slaves. I'd still be a "racist white man who oppresses black people" in your book. I've had black friends, black family members, and I even had a black girl friend when I was younger. But I must still be a racist for two reasons. 1. I'm white. 2. I don't think that the entire American Society is "holding the black man down."

You see racism EVERYWHERE. And that's because you WANT to. It makes your hate, or "passion" as you call it, feel justified. If the white man wasn't racists against the black man, what would that mean? Could it possibly mean that the black people are actually responsible for their own actions? Could it mean that it's THEIR fault for not working hard in High School, and then going to college? Could it mean that it's THEIR fault for joining gangs and committing crimes??? You need to stop blaming the white man for all the problems that the black community has. Not all black people are thugs, criminals, or drug users. But some are. And it is THEIR fault. They need to be MEN, and to start bettering themselves, and their families. Capt., if you want something to be passionate about, how about you start preaching in the Ghettos and Inner Cities about stopping the Black on Black crimes. Did you check the statistics on that? It's quite high.

Also, America has existed for a little over 200 years. So Americans COULDN'T have enslaved Blacks for 400 years. It would have been for about 100 years. Then you have the Jim Crow Laws which were a horrible disgrace. However, it was also a disgrace how the Chinese, the Irish, and the Native Americans were treated.

Frankly, you have more of a right to be upset about how your Seminole ancestors where treated than your Black ancestors. Your black ancestors sold THEMSELVES into slavery. The same CAN NOT be said about your Seminole ancestors. The only people who have a right to complain about how they were treated in this country is the Native Americans. They have been treated so badly that back in the early 1900s, when the census was going on, a lot of them claimed to be Black because they would be treated better. Now THAT is something to think about. If you look into American history you would see how much worse the Native Americans where treated than the Blacks, Chinese, Irish, or anyone else.

You are blinded by your HATE and you own self righteousness. I never said, nor do I think, that American Slavery was justified our right. I think it was a horrible, and inhumane thing. I think the segregation and hate that followed was horrible and wrong. However, YOU never had to go through that. None of "your people" had to go through that. The people that did have to go through that are dead. Very few blacks who had to deal with the Racism of the Jim Crow Laws are alive today. The laws were thankfully overruled by 1965. I notice that you never said once that some black people actually were in favor of the laws. (Malcolm X) "Separate But Equal" is what the laws were SUPPOSED to be, but it sadly ended up being Separate and inferior. Frankly, I think you should ask yourself whether or not you would change the fact that slavery existed in America. If it never existed, you would be living in Africa right now. I think you should consider yourself LUCKY that you were born here in America, instead of Africa. If you were an African, you could be a slave right now. Once the African people gained their independence from the British, and other European countries, many of them brought slavery back. You could be a slave right now.

European slave trade by destination

Brazil: 4,000,000 35.4% Spanish Empire: 2,500,000 22.1% British West Indies: 2,000,000 17.7% French West Indies: 1,600,00 14.1% British North America: 500,000 4.4% Dutch West Indies: 500,000 4.4% Danish West Indies: 28,000 0.2% Europe: 200,000 1.8% Total 1500-1900: 11,328,000 100.0%

Just so you know, only 4.4% of the slaves come to North America. The most slaves sold by the African Kings went to non white people. They were sent to the Spaniards in Brazil and the other Spanish territories. And if you want to know what country had the most slaves, read it for yourself.

By slave-trading country

Portugal/Brazil: 4,650,000 Spain: 1,600,000 France: 1,250,000 Holland: 500,000 Britain: 2,600,000 U.S.A.: 300,000 Denmark: 50,000 Others: 50,000 Total: 11,000,000

If you want to be angry at someone for your ancestors being enslaved, I recommend you be angry at your own African Kings. They sold you into slavery. "White" people bought you legally. Then they FREED you legally, by their own choice. They fought a war that was partly over that subject. If you are too self righteous to be mad and angry at the African Kings, then you should be mad at the Spanish, Mexicans, and South Americans. They owned and imported FAR more Black Slaves than ANYONE else.

America has done more to help lift up the Black people than any other country that owned black slaves. White people ended black slavery in America. Otherwise Black people would still be slaves today. Black people couldn't END slavery. Nor could they GIVE themselves the right to vote. White people WANTED everyone to be treated equally. Just like White MEN wanted women to have equal rights.

If a woman scream sexism, rape, or sexual harassment, it will draw a lot of attention from the media. if a man screamed the same things, it would not draw as much attention. If a white man claimed racism from the black man, it would not call nearly as much attention from the media and the public as if a black man claimed racism from a white man. Is that fair? Nope. Is that racist? Yep. But I bet you don't even think that any Black people are racist against white people.

Capt. you mentioned the whole housing thing. If there was a really nice house that was up to your standard in the inner city parts of New York, would you want to live there? Would you CHOSE to live in a place where their are always drug dealers on the corner? Where you hear gun shots every night? Now is it gangs of white kids that are doing this? If not, what are the races of the kids and thugs doing this? If you wouldn't want to live there, tell us why not? Is it because of the Black and Latino thugs and hoodlums?

There are parts of Akron and Cleveland Ohio, as well as Newport News Virginia that I would NOT like to live in because of the Black, WHITE, and Latino thugs and hoodlums.

Native Americans have been prejudiced against the worst here in America. But I don't hear much about Native Americans being involved in drugs, theft, robbery, gangs or homicides. Nor do I hear the Native Americans go ON AND ON AND ON about how the White man is holding them down. Japanese Americans were essentially put in concentration camps during World War II, but I don't here them complaining about what the White man did to them. In fact, the only people that seem to complain about the White Man, and what he has done to them is the BLACK MAN!!! And they always conveniently leave out that their own people sold them into slavery.

Slavery is wrong. Racism is wrong. Blaming people for something they had NOTHING to do with is wrong. Racism is still wrong when it is Black People being Racist against White People.


20. The Capt. left...
Thursday, 22 October 2009 3:09 pm

Allen, listening to you I'm supposed to think you care about Black folk. You're a confused individual that will continue to show disrespect to Black folk thinking it's proper. I will let my earlier statements stand. White folks who read and comprehend well will understand what I'm saying. How do I know? Because of the number I communicate with on my blog and can talk about this subject intelligently. Your ranting is confused and your relationship with Blacks must be very tenuous.

You're a bigot. While a bunch of White guys have financially ruined this country on Wall Street, in banking, in housing, in education, criminal justice, etc. (cause Black folk haven't been in charge), you want to put the responsibility for the downfall of this country on the victims of these same entities. These folks rip you off going and coming, then tell you Black folks are your problem, and you acting like an imbecile, believe it. So you complain about Black folk when these guys send your jobs overseas, take your homes in derivative swaps, and rape your 401k. But Black folk is the big problem.

Allen Hill! KISS MY GRITS! Ciao!